How is the RTP actually set on Dollar Storm pokies?
Total noob here π
but keen on this one. Had a couple of slaps at the club on Dollar Storm and the Hold & Spin got me once, rest of the session was pretty quiet. Question though: if the RTP is set per venue, does that mean the one down the road could literally pay better than ours? π€ Anyone actually noticed a difference between clubs?
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Short answer for ya, Darwin, yeah, that's exactly what it means. There's no one published figure for Dollar Storm; each venue sets its own return as long as it clears the state minimum, so the same cabinet can genuinely play different from one club to the next. How much of a difference you'd actually feel across an arvo, hard to say - over a long grind it matters more than over a single slap.
For what it's worth, I've had the Hold & Spin tease me plenty and then go dead for the rest of the session, same as you. Turned a quiet fifty into a few grand on one of these Aristocrat machines once when the feature finally landed, other nights it's swallowed the lot without a whisper. My trick is simple: find a club you like, note how it treats you over a few visits, and don't chase it across town thinking the machine down the road owes you. Ah well, we grind on π
Yeah Darwin that's the go β my club's Dollar Storm is all-time favourite but a mate swears the one near the bottle-o hits the grand more π
same cabinet, different tune π°
Bit of a dumb question π
but when you all say the venue "sets its own return", how does that actually work, is it a setting on the machine the club chooses? Because my local Dollar Storm has been dead quiet on the Hold & Spin for weeks, so thanks for the breakdown SamJackpot π
FreoBlue, yeah mate, basically the club picks the return level for each pokie, so it's a setting the venue chooses within what the state allows, that's why two Dollar Storm cabinets a suburb apart can feel like different machines. Reminds me of Queen of the Nile days, turned 50 into 5k on one pub's cabinet and couldn't buy a feature at the club down the road π your quiet Hold & Spin might just be how yours is set, or plain variance, hard to tell which.
I remember the old slots first-hand.
Gotta say, half this thread is reading tea leaves π FreoBlue mate, "dead for weeks" means nothing. The Hold & Spin doesn't care how long it's been quiet, each spin is its own thing. My local club's Dollar Storm went silent on me for ages then hit the feature twice in one night, A$ in my pocket and yelling at the screen π
That said, yeah the per-venue setting thing is real, same cabinet two clubs apart can genuinely play different. So if yours feels tight, maybe just try the other one down the road and see how it treats ya π°
So the same cabinet really can be tuned different venue to venue? Maybe I'm being dumb but that explains why my club's one feels tighter than my mate's π
cheers, that helps π
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FreoBlue trust your gut mate, my club's Dollar Storm hits the Hold & Spin way more than the pub near work π₯π° same cabinet, feels like two different machines, coz it basically is π°
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Gut feeling means sweet nothing here fellas π
Hold & Spin doesn't remember your club, Diamond_Lord. Get a few hundred more sessions in before you call it π₯π°
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@Neon_Addict mate no one's saying the machine remembers your club π
point is venues CAN get different RTP configs, so one Dollar Storm genuinely can be tighter than another. I've felt it myself, the one at my local clubs me for weeks then Friday night it spat out a A$1,850 Hold & Spin jackpot and I nearly fell off the stool π€π° If the setting's already locked in looser at that cabinet, my "gut" was just reading what was in front of me π₯π°
Now getting a few hundred more sessions in? Fair call, but I'm on it every Friday anyway so that's happening regardless π
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@Neon_Addict mate no one's saying the machine remembers your club π
point is venues CAN get different RTP configs, so one Dollar Storm genuinely can be tighter than another. I've felt it myself, the one at my local clubsβ¦
@BigWinGod different configs exist, sure, but "felt it myself" is exactly how the myth spreads. If venues really run looser, someone should post actual RTP config proof from the manufacturer.
Diamond_Lord and Neon_Addict are both half right imo π
each spin's independent, but if venues set the RTP within the state minimum then a club's Dollar Storm can genuinely run looser than the pub one down the road. My own sessions back it up. Cleared a decent Hold & Spin at my club and banked it straight into the budget, whereas the same cabinet near work has chewed through A$ without even a sniff of free games. Short version: trust the maths per venue, never the "it's due" feeling π°π₯
Gut feeling means sweet nothing here fellas π
Hold & Spin doesn't remember your club, Diamond_Lord. Get a few hundred more sessions in before you call it π₯π°
@Neon_Addict Gramps and BigWinGod nailed it mate β different venues can run different configs, so the gut feeling has something behind it π
I've been on it every evening at my local and the Dollar Storm Hold & Spin fires way more there than the pub one near work. Grabbed A$1,840 off a club machine last arvo, tighter one would never pay that π€π₯
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@Neon_Addict mate no one's saying the machine remembers your club π
point is venues CAN get different RTP configs, so one Dollar Storm genuinely can be tighter than another. I've felt it myself, the one at my local clubsβ¦
@BigWinGod this. my local club's Dollar Storm feels way looser than the pub one, Hold & Spin hits nearly every sesh there π₯ deadset swear by that machine
@Neon_Addict mate no one's saying the machine remembers your club π
point is venues CAN get different RTP configs, so one Dollar Storm genuinely can be tighter than another. I've felt it myself, the one at my local clubsβ¦
@BigWinGod you're right that configurable RTP is a real thing on these cabinets, and Servo's demand for paperwork is fair too. The config sheet should be in the venue's compliance docs if anyone's keen enough to ask the floor manager.
Worth adding though: with Dollar Storm the Hold & Spin trigger is where most of the variance lives, so two machines at slightly different hit rates can *feel* massively different over a couple of sessions. I kept notes on a club machine near me for a month once, the feature frequency swing week to week was bigger than any plausible config difference. Depends on the volatility more than people assume; small RTP tweaks barely move the short-term experience, EV is still negative either way.
Volatility > vibes.
@BigWinGod you're right that configurable RTP is a real thing on these cabinets, and Servo's demand for paperwork is fair too. The config sheet should be in the venue's compliance docs if anyone's keen enough to ask the β¦
@Grinder_Hunter the compliance docs point is fair, though in practice asking the floor manager gets you a blank stare more often than a config sheet. Worth a go anyway.
On the "feels looser" thing, I'd add this: the Hold & Spin hit rate can differ between two Dollar Storm cabinets even at the same RTP, because operators can pick volatility profiles too. Higher hit rate with smaller feature pays feels hotter and still returns exactly the same long run figure. Session length matters as well, short sessions have massive variance so one club can "run hot" for weeks without any config difference at all. π
Do the EV, then spin.
@AlmostHadItVictim blank stare's about right, they'd sooner call security than show a config sheet π @SpinToWin_Club A$380 hey, did you even withdraw or is it still "chasing"? π€‘πΈ
The house always wins.
@AlmostHadItVictim blank stare's about right, they'd sooner call security than show a config sheet π @SpinToWin_Club A$380 hey, did you even withdraw or is it still "chasing"? π€‘πΈ
@Cronulla rough but fair question π
I only started on Dollar Storm a couple months back and I've done exactly that, hit a decent Hold & Spin then fed it all back chasing it again. Feels like every punter does it at least once π
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@Cronulla rough but fair question π
I only started on Dollar Storm a couple months back and I've done exactly that, hit a decent Hold & Spin then fed it all back chasing it again. Feels like every punter does it at leastβ¦
@Servo_True every punter's rite of passage mate, chasing the Hold & Spin on Dollar Storm is basically compulsory π€£ I deposited the last of it lol doing exactly that once, then had the walk home to think about it. Only way I've found to actually stop is leaving the card at home, sad but true π
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@BigWinGod you're right that configurable RTP is a real thing on these cabinets, and Servo's demand for paperwork is fair too. The config sheet should be in the venue's compliance docs if anyone's keen enough to ask the β¦
@Grinder_Hunter might actually have a crack at asking next Friday arvo, worst case I get the blank stare π reckon my club's Dollar Storm machine would show juicy on that config sheet anyway, dropped A$380 off a Hold & Spin there a few weeks back, still chasing that feeling π°π°
The hit is close, I can feel it.
Asking the floor manager for the config sheet would be a laugh π my local's Dollar Storm Hold & Spin just feels hotter, that's all I know π₯π°
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Haha chasing that Hold & Spin high is half the Dollar Storm experience, I've done the same more times than I'll admit π
A$380 was a good hit though π°
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@Cronulla rough but fair question π
I only started on Dollar Storm a couple months back and I've done exactly that, hit a decent Hold & Spin then fed it all back chasing it again. Feels like every punter does it at leastβ¦
@Servo_True same here mate, did my chasing on Dollar Storm after a Hold & Spin win π
still haven't worked out how to just walk away. Does anyone actually manage that? π
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Chasing is just part of the Dollar Storm ritual aye π
I did the same thing after a Hold & Spin at the local club one Friday, had it sitting there and thought one more orbit, gone by midnight. Ah well.
Never met a punter who actually walks away, reckon they exist but haven't shaken hands with one. Best I manage is leaving my card in the car π
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