The annoying answer to "what RTP is Autumn Moon running" is that nobody outside the venue can tell you, and th…

Name: Dragon Link: Autumn Moon
Brand: Aristocrat
Rating: 4.2 (486 reviews)

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The annoying answer to "what RTP is Autumn Moon running" is that nobody outside the venue can tell you, and that's not me being cagey. Aristocrat configures the paytable per venue within the state minimum, so the machine at my RSL and the one across town could genuinely be different animals sitting in identical cabinets. There's no published figure to point at, which is exactly why the thread is worth having.

Worth noting for anyone chasing the grand on the Dragon Link progressives: since each venue sets its own configuration, the session experience can vary more than people expect. Last month I had a decent Hold & Spin run at the club near me and walked up A$80 or so, then went back a week later and the same machine felt noticeably tighter. Could be variance, could be the config - but it does depend on the volatility of the setup they've chosen, and that's invisible to us at the button. If anyone's venue has actually disclosed anything in writing, I'd genuinely love to see it. 📊

SamJackpot · Accepted Answer

that's the rub of it, isn't it, same cabinet, same dragons, and the fella two towns over could be feeding a hungrier beast. i've had decent slaps on autumn moon at the club here, hold & spin hit once after a long dry spell, but who's to say the pub up the road isn't set tighter. always figured the progressives tell you something though. If the grand's climbing quick, the machine's taking plenty in. ah well, we grind on.

Brizzie_Mate · Answer

Grinder's right, and it's the quiet part venues don't advertise, same cabinet, different settings, and you'll never see the config on the glass. Anyone claiming their local Autumn Moon "pays loose" is guessing until they show a cashout screenshot. I still feed the Hold & Spin a bit at my club, but I treat the dragon as scenery, long-run it's minus whatever the venue chose.

MaxBetLifeMode · Answer

So maybe I'm being dumb but I always assumed every Autumn Moon paid the same. Might just pick the club with the friendliest staff then 😅 cheers for the explain anyway.

Darwin · Answer

Quick dumb question 😅 what does "state minimum" actually mean for the RTP? Is there a floor every venue has to stay above? Still learning this stuff 🙏

FreoDad · Answer

Good question mate, no shame in asking. The floor's the lowest return the state lets venues set their pokies at - every Autumn Moon has to pay back at least that much, but the club can config it above the floor if they like, within the allowed range. So your local might be sitting a bit warmer than the pub down the road, same cabinet, same dragons, nobody outside the venue knows which.

ChrisFortune · Answer

FreoDad's got the floor bit right, Darwin, the state sets the lowest return a venue machine can be configured at, and the club picks somewhere from that floor upward. What bugs me is that people read the floor like a promise. On a small spin sample the floor means very little; a session where the Hold & Spin just refuses to land tells you nothing about the configured return, and neither does one lucky free games run.

Think of it this way 📊. Say you've put A$100 through your local Autumn Moon and walked out with A$60. Another punter at a different club hits the grand off the same cabinet. Both stories prove nothing about which venue set it looser. Hit rate and the way the feature triggers will shape your night far more than the couple of percentage points between configurations, and you'd need an enormous number of spins (more than any of us will ever put through in a decade of Fridays) to tell two settings apart.

FruitWin · Answer

ChrisFortune nailed it - the floor's not a promise, it's a legal minimum. Believe it when you cash out; ask the club for the config if you're keen.

GeelongLegend48 · Answer

Fair dinkum, only the club knows the config and they're not telling. I just judge Autumn Moon on feel, when the Hold & Spin pays, it pays 🔥🐉

CasinoGrinder · Answer

"Judge it on feel" is exactly how clubs want you thinking, GeelongLegend48. If the Hold & Spin hit regularly everyone would notice, so they set the config wherever suits and the floor quietly does the rest. Nobody posts payout proof for a venue machine either. You'll never see a cashout slip from the local. Play it for the dragons if you like, just don't call a dead stretch "cold", that's the config doing its job.

FreeSpinsKing · Answer

GeelongLegend48 is onto something though. I slapped Autumn Moon at the club Friday arvo, Hold & Spin delivered the grand, don't care what config it's running 🤑🐉🎰

Servo_Blue64 · Answer

FreeSpinsKing, hit the grand on Friday arvo? Then how about a screenshot of the handpay ticket, minus the personal bits. One win from one session tells us nothing about the config that machine's running - the club down the road could have the same cabinet paying a fair bit worse and you'd never know. The Hold & Spin hitting regularly is the whole point CasinoGrinder made: you remember the one that paid, forget the twenty dead visits.

TiltSurvivor · Answer

Clubs set the config inside state rules so nobody outside the venue ever sees it. I just size my bet per spin to the session budget and walk when the dragon doesn't show 🎰

DiamondWin · Answer

Autumn Moon has been kind to me too tbh, nothing huge but it keeps the session alive way longer than the others on the floor 🐙 re the screenshot stuff, half the time I'm too busy yelling at the machine to think about photos lol. TiltSurvivor's right tho, walk when the dragon goes quiet 🐉

BankrollKing · Answer

@DiamondWin "kind to me" meaning you're down less than usual, yeah? A pokie keeping the session alive just means it's eating your A$ slower. The house always wins 😏

HobartNorth · Answer

@BankrollKing mate if the house always wins how come I walked out of the club two Fridays back with a handpay on Autumn Moon? 😎 A$200 buy-in and the dragon just kept feeding me... a slower bleed is still a good arvo to me, at least I'm getting entertainment for my dough. Ah well, each to their own 🐉

ChrisSpins · Answer

@DiamondWin hah same, I get so animated when the dragon hits the hold & spin I forget my phone even exists 😂 Autumn Moon's my go-to on a Friday arvo, that jackpot chase just hits different 🐉

MaxWinLord · Answer

@BankrollKing a slower bleed is exactly what I'm paying for, same as buying a few hours at the footy 😄 Cleared a decent hold & spin on Autumn Moon late last year and cashed out before the dragon could take it back. Timing the walk is half the game tbh. If a machine keeps me at A$20 spins for an arvo instead of torching my buy-in in twenty minutes, that's a win in my book. 🎰

Model_Sheet · Answer

@HobartNorth good on you for the handpay, genuinely. But one lucky Friday proves nothing about the machine, that's the point BankrollKing was making. Every punter who walks out up has a story; the thousands who donated their A$200 quietly don't post about it.

And MaxWinLord, "timing the walk" only works if you actually cash out. Half the club floor is full of people who cleared a hold & spin, felt like a genius, and fed it all back chasing the next one. I'd want to see the payout receipt before believing anyone here got paid. Dragon Link at the club is still set to whatever RTP the venue chose, and it's rarely the generous config. Nice arvo out, sure. Investment? No.

MaxBetLifeEveryday · Answer

Model_Sheet sounds like a sore loser honestly 😂 handpays happen cos Autumn Moon PAYS. on it every Friday at the local, hold & spin goes off 🔥🐉

Maccas_Legend508 · Answer

@Model_Sheet sorry mate but MaxBetLife's right 😂 Autumn Moon pays me more often than any pokie at mine, had a ripper session last month! Skeptics gonna skeptic 🤷‍♂️🔥

DiamondGG1999 · Answer

@MaxBetLifeEveryday same mate, it goes OFF when that hold & spin hits 🔥🐉 smashed a few hundred A$ bonus on it at my local a while back, cashed the lot and walked ah well Model_Sheet can keep his spreadsheets lol

Neon_Addict · Answer

🤣 what a night that was! Autumn Moon is my all-time favourite, hold & spin at my local had me up big one Friday, felt like Xmas 😱💰 mate spreadsheets can't measure that buzz 🐉🔥

Ben_Win · Answer

@Maccas_Legend508 a "ripper session" and no screenshot, colour me shocked 😏 funny how every machine "pays more than any other" right up until the balance hits zero. Sure, post the screenshot then, happy to eat my words 🤡💸

FreoBlue · Answer

@Ben_Win to be fair a screenshot wouldn't prove much either way, one lucky night is just one lucky night 😅 I'm new to pokies myself so go easy on me, but is Autumn Moon actually a good one for a beginner or is the volatility brutal? The hold & spin bit sounds fun, keen to try it at my local 🙏

SteveCobber · Answer

@Neon_Addict xmas indeed mate 😂 that hold & spin buzz on Autumn Moon is unreal, had a Friday at mine where the orbs just kept landing and my heart was going mental 💰🐉 to the newbie asking — volatility can bite quick so start small, but when it connects there's nothing like it on the floor imo 🔥

Royal77 · Answer

Welcome to pokies FreoBlue 😄 Autumn Moon's hold & spin is unreal, start small though, it bites fast. Steve's right, nothing on the floor hits like it 🔥💰

PaulSlots13 · Answer

@Ben_Win mate leave him alone, some of us don't screenshot every win 😂 Autumn Moon at my club Friday nights is religion, hold & spin hits and the whole bank of machines goes quiet listening for the orbs 🤑 one night it just kept chaining and I was up a few hundred A$ - best feeling on the floor 🔥 FreoBlue start small like the boys said, the bite is real 💰

InRTPweTrustLoyal · Answer

@Royal77 solid advice there, start small is exactly right. Worth knowing for FreoBlue: on a small spin sample Autumn Moon can look dead for long stretches because most of the return sits behind the hold & spin, so a cold session means nothing. I keep a note of how many spins between features at my local and even then variance makes a mockery of my averages 📊 EV is still negative either way, so treat the orbs as a bonus, never a plan.

Cronulla_True · Answer

lol @PaulSlots13 the bank going quiet for the orbs is spot on, reckon everyone holds their breath 😂 that dead stretch talk is real though but one chain on Autumn Moon erases it all, cleaned up A$260 off a hold & spin at mine last month and forgot every cold spin before it 🤑🔥 this slot pays when it wants to, simple as that

SpinToWin_Club · Answer

@InRTPweTrustLoyal yeah fair point but cold stretches on Autumn Moon hit different, it builds the tension right up 😂 last Friday I was down and nearly gave up, then the orbs landed and I walked out up A$180 🤑 majority of the return sitting behind hold & spin explains it though, might explain why the whole bank seems dead for ages then one bloke cleans up 🔥

CascadeQueen · Answer

@SpinToWin_Club up A$180, nice story mate. Did you actually withdraw it though, or does it live in the "winnings" hall of fame with every other A$180 that never left the club? 😏 Autumn Moon's cold stretches get sold as "tension building" every time someone happens to hit, funny how nobody calls it tension building after three dead sessions in a row 🤡

ReelMaster · Answer

@Cronulla_True one hold & spin erases the cold stretch in memory, not in maths. Your A$260 probably funded three quiet Fridays before it. Worth keeping the notes honest 📊

MaxBetLifeLoyal · Answer

@ReelMaster honest notes or not, that A$260 hit on Autumn Moon felt worth every cold Friday before it 🔥 maths can keep its spreadsheet, I'm chasing the orbs 🤑

MirrorLinkRefugee · Answer

@CascadeQueen harsh but fair 😂 when I hit on Autumn Moon at my local I made myself cash it out same night or I'd just churn it back. Took me a few visits to learn that the hard way, orbs got me chasing twice 😅 do you keep a rough tally of your sessions or just vibes?

Cronulla · Answer

Seriously though, before we debate the withdrawal of the A$180 from Autumn Moon, did you even realise the house always wins? Those massive sessions are just bait to get you chasing the orbs and eventually busting it all. 💸 Look around, mate.

ChrisGold · Answer

@MaxBetLifeLoyal worth every cold Friday is exactly what the machine wants you to think mate 😏 that A$260 hit felt ripper right up until you chased the orbs three visits deep and handed it all back with interest. Add up what Autumn Moon's cost you across the year before you crow about one Friday 🤡 so where's the profit?

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